Or remembering faulty? But people *MODIFY* (for chrissake) their Glocks trying to make the trigger compete with a 1911, then wonder why they shot their foot off. And therefore only idiots use it. Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional. Because there are a lot of areas where carrying a firearm will bite you if you cant get it right. In my experience, here in MS, a great many people have a great many home defense firearms of various descriptions. And in my opinion , and this would be scary, Id bet my draw and cock against the draw rack the slide anytime. I made a folder called TTAG comments, and put all pages Ive commented on in there. Long story short, I let it be known that I thought carrying with an empty chamber is a mistake. Ive run an experiment with a rough 1911 with a POS barrel that was scrap. There is one thing very different between handling a car and handling a weapon a 4000 pound vehicle traveling at 62mph carries over half a million foot pound of energy vs ~350ft/lbs out of your little 9mm or .45 pea shooter. Glocks are for professional that carry OWB at 3 o'clock where it is possible to see All the way around the holster While holstering the gun. A number of gun companies still produce single-action revolvers. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[336,280],'guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-2','ezslot_5',119,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-2-0');The danger comes from dangerous gun handling and not following safe gun handling rules. Run what you brung. But its hard to imagine a situation where a dropped gun firing into the ground could be a danger. See the old Remingtons. Perhaps if someone drops their gun from two stories up and it lands muzzle down on somebodys head? Have you ever negligently failed to check your blind spot and cut someone off on the freeway? The claim is that because Glocks have no safety and a super light trigger, they accidentally shoot people. Glocks have a blade in the trigger that is very light so that if the pistol is dropped, the inertia of the fall will not pull the trigger ( as the pistol is partially cocked). What I meant was: As all who have examined a REGULAR single action revolver, like a Colt SAA or the old three screw Rugers before the transfer bar, would know. It has been many years since I saw that movie. NO - any responsible gun owner should have some reservation until enough information has been provided. Its kind of unneeded though, because inertial firing pins can only build firing inertia on their own if the whole gun accelerates, and then stops suddenly. It prevents the trigger from being manipulated unless a finger is pressing on it. And being that I am a Veteran the simple act of 1 second as I draw is a negligible amount of time just like the BS of you can only have a 10 round magazine but you can carry as many magazines as you like try it one day drop a mag change it takes less than 3 seconds. Between the trigger safety, the firing pin safety and the drop safety I feel very comfortable carrying it chambered. I will always carry chambered because I keep my fingers where they belong and therefore don't worry about it. Empty chamber carry is dumb. Trigger Safety. So, there are at least 2 actions required to get a round to fire after removing it from a pocket. Good on you guys for responding here. If thats a problem, dont carry a firearm. They claimed that the officer didnt purposefully pull the trigger, but he just twitched from his heart beating fast and the gunshot an unarmed innocent man. This should convince you that your glock is safe to carry chamber loaded and you won't have to worry about blowing your 'nads off. Glocks are designed with internal safety features to prevent accidental discharge. Glock is a brand of polymer-framed, short recoil-operated, locked-breech semi-automatic pistols designed and produced by Austrian manufacturer Glock Ges.m.b.H.. One was carrying a single action revolver without a transfer bar safety in a holster, and one under the hammer. Please consider creating a . There are advertisements for trigger jobs on striker fired guns to make them with an even less pull weight!! I am at a point in my life that I seem to lose a bit more of something every day and way I see it , I can actually admit to myself that I dont totally trust me without that little conscience click of the safety anymore . Passive safeties Are Not A Replacement for an active safety. Boy, that must be realllll nice. I feel its foolish but its my thought. Only, dumb guys wouldnt understand that. Glock firearms Instructor. When the handgun is retrieved, the mag is shoved in and the gun is ready to fire. A GLOCK does not have an external manual safety. I have kids, but they have been taught that if it can go bang assume it will if the trigger is touched. The list of pistols that have a drop safety to prevent the gun from going off unintentionally when impacted is quite long you need to look no further than any of the handguns allowed in the . In my own case I carry a gun because ITS MY GODDAMN RIGHT and being prepared for the defense of my life is a purely secondary concern. The engineer who designed a take down system whereby the slide has to be forward and you have to pull the trigger must have on that day tripped out on LSD. Sound off in the comments. Amen brother. De nada. If youre going to do something like defend yourself with a firearm. Those stances, their great for cops and competition but IMO bot so great in a gunfight up close. So old single actions have to be handled and loaded in a certain way to be carried safely. Each new design enhanced the pistol and its features. Note, the sentry safe does have a security vulerablity that can be mitigated by covering a hole with stainless steel tape. Carry without one in the pipe for a while to get used to it. Subscribe and receive the latest information on GLOCK products and more. Options are good. The NYPD used this excuse several times to get out of a situation, basically saying These new-fangled Glocks just go off on their own. Glocks have only mode of carry once you chamber a round. So I traded it. This pistol gained [] SOME of these guns (Ruger, Rough Rider, IWI, Freedom Arms, Linebaugh) have transfer bar safeties and thus can be carried fully loaded. IMO, anyway. You carry your way and Ill carry mine. It will catch on and you will be a rock star! Furthermore, every person I know or have talked to who does have a single-action revolver Rough Rider, Blackhawk or a replica has other guns that they use for those roles. I assume it had something to do with its mechanics. For my "duty firearm", I carry a Glock Mod 22 Gen 4 (.40 S&W cal.). Dani: In the case of an inertial firing pin, nothing but a physical block on the firing pin itself will have the slightest effect. I have four. Its like arguing Android is better than iOS. Do u know what the 21 foot rule is? No kids at home anymore so no worry there. like i said Safe and ready when I am. Many competition shooters boast about having it done to their race gun. 1 - 20 of 30 Posts. Perfect for everyday carry, the compact Glock 43 is a popular concealed carry option chambered in 9mm. Bottom line: For *any* firearm, you have to *put your finger (or some other object) INTO the trigger guard to fire the weapon. Do you supposes THIS guy knows the six letter word for a firearms dangerous end? I now carry without it, with one in the pipe. Introducing an unchambered firearm means you only have one hand, at best, firmly gripping the pistol. 29 July 2022 by srnoj. Same here. We keep our mouths shut, myob, and avoid praising glocks. Perhaps you could write one yourself even. Modern handguns are designed to be carried with a loaded chamber. The others can safely be carried with a round under the hammer, with little to no chance of firing if the hammer should be hit or snagged. The first Glock safety that you will interact with is the trigger safety, which takes the form of a spring-loaded lever located in the center of the trigger. You may need your weak side arm to hold an attacker at bay while you draw, etc. In the past, I've heard people say they aren't comfortable carrying a loaded firearm on them or want to just scare people away. Unfortunately, the safety is on the wrong side of the slide for me so I dont use it. In addition to this, some manufacturers have added manual lever safeties to their firearms and XDS has the grip safety as well. You can lift and close the bolt to cock the striker quicker than doing all four motions. I never carried a gun before my G27. I'm not exactly a diehard with pistol-caliber carbines but I definitely enjoy them. Some people were never meant to have a handgun I suppose. OFC, most people would rather just follow the herd, but that isnt reasonable, logical, nor wise. OthersI just didnt think about and for some pretty good reasons. The Glock Model 48 slimline 9mm is a state-of-the-art fighting pistol with a small grip frame any cop can master. Ho Hum, Well written Question: If it lands on its muzzle could it not go out-of-battery? Only ONE centerfire pistol? And unlike Mad, I DO make mistakes. How often are you drinking a glass of milk, or spilling coffee, or having a horn tooted at you while actually handling or holstering your firearm? When she holstered her Glock .40 it went off and the bullet went down her leg utterly destroying it. Must not be working on it very hard. I felt a few of the points that were raised had enough merit to discuss further. whenever anyone posts on this page: Just do what you are comfortable/confident with and what is best for your individual personal situation. Does the Glock fire then? I got rid of that one, I didnt really need it, but now, sigh, I wish I had it back. Shorten that to GLOCKTOPIA! Glocks are safe to carry with a loaded chamber as long as they are carried in a decent holster that completely covers the trigger. I have handguns that have a magazine safety I leave the mag out a 1/2 inch in the lock box and the mag cant be rammed home while in the box(like if it were dropped). Training happens every time we do something, no matter if its shooting, driving, or eating. Usually I just get to see Colt SAAs with 16 chamber cylinders. No permits needed, no interference from the State. Actually, I only did that for about ten minutes before retreating to a men's room, unchambering the round, and putting the gun back in its holster with a full mag but empty chamber. . Risk vs benefit should ALWAYS be a part of this decision. Never mind the others. Just that for most every use, there are other choices that are better. The stone cold killer blows a hole in the braggarts forehead and his buddies stand there with their jaws agape while he starts shooting them. I would hope that all semi-auto handguns have some sort of striker/firing-pin block that absolutely prevents detonation from dropping the pistol. (I dont think any of us are going to try to pocket carry a 1911 or a Glock 17.). Haha. On TTAG anyone can use any name at any time, and that makes it really confusing. Folks, a GLOCK (or any other striker-fired pistol) is perfectly safe with a little intelligence combined with a bit of assiduity. These Glocks have been beat to death and not once has the gun " fired " without some sort of trigger manipulation. But that would be true for almost ANY gun that didnt have a manual safety engaged. P.T. Yes Sir I do and the ones scattered in the house also. Off the top of my head, I dont remember actually seeing that, but in The Shootist, John Wayne does mention it. about carrying or keeping a gun with a round in the chamber. Barrel: 4.5. So the only downside of the top chamber being empty is one less round available before reloading. They're fun, handy, and can be very practical. It is generally safe to carry a Glock with a round in the chamber, as long as the user follows proper handling and safety protocols. A lot of guns, particularly the early revolvers, were considered too dangerous to carry with a loaded chamber because a sharp bump or drop could cause it to fire. Perhaps why they werent interested in this modification, even though the investor designed it to be visually unobtrusive and to require minimal modifications to the original design. MOLON LABE. Older single action revolvers or those still manufactured without a hammer block/transfer bar are theoretically more prone to discharge back in the day when you ride a horse as the drop from that position could allow the pistol to rotate muzzle up when it lands. It's a little bullet with a decent velocity, but will it actually fill the freezer? Pretty soon, it became standard for guns to have a manual safety switch. Each new design improved the handgun and its features. It was called Fractured Fairy Tales. Theres simply no point in carrying an unloaded gun. I have four (4) SA revolvers. So in 2019, are you telling a revolver carrier to carry only 4 bullets instead of five?? Stop all AR-15 and AR-10 calibers with this RTS Tactical level 3+ Armor Kit. Kids are grown, hoping dad doesnt ever need to move in, not the reverse lol, and I have em where I need em to be and they are ready when I am. Glockster20. Well you can either use it as a gun or as a brickI like mine to be carried like a gun. You cant just twitch and accidentally shoot one. Let the one with no traffic tickets throw the first stone. Ive done this quite a bit when rabbit hunting. But the real benefit is in the noise. Always, recent training with Instructor who suggested to always carry chambered. It may be injured or busy striking or holding back children, etc. However, that may be the reason I carry a revolver, but the reason I carry a gun (as I said) is because ITS MY GODDAMN RIGHT. But otherwise it still is a pretty good gunfight scene. Is really shouldnt be that hard. If something else provides that energy to the pin, the primer wont care whether its in a chamber or not. Of course, when I was a soldier, I listened to guys who had been there. If I have to carry a compact, its a DA only with no safety or one with the safety off. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Descriptions: Glocks are safe to carry with a loaded chamber as long as they are carried in a decent holster that completely covers the trigger. 1) either way you do it it takes Training, 2) ya silly ass might forget to flip the safety an fire so there is you 3 seconds, 3) the bullet may not fire, in which case you have to chamber anyway. Not much difference really. There are a lot of older pistols manufactured without a drop safety feature. There are tons of features that make it worth your consideration, starting with its trademark durability and flexibility. A great capability, because a dud round will usually fire upon a second strike, and your finger is going to automatically do that anyway. While I agree its better to have a round in the chamber, I dont, not at the moment. Ammoland eh? When the term "loaded" means a round in the chamber and you need to carry, either open carry or concealed, with an unloaded gun, training to be faster with your draw will be very important. (just like some people freakout about a cocked and locked 1911) Rest assured the gun will not go off and shoot you in the ass. Quick easy to access and small enough for the P365, a spare magazine, and a small 300 Lumen Tac Light. OH NO! And I include all the copy cat weapons as well as they are as common as the common cold. Back in the old days of guns, they didn't really have any safety at all. The 223/5.56 is the most common centerfire rifle cartridge in the US. I lost a whitetail in heavy cover to the click when the safety is released. If the trigger safety is not . The Glock handgun is the preferred handgun of police worldwide. Glocks have a trigger pull of 5-1/2 to 6 pounds. I carry all my guns chambered. Agree with the author 100%. (AgCatJHS at English Wikipedia [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons)Here we have a conundrum. My Glock 23 is fully loaded, and no problems at all, even with the 3.5 connector in it that lightens the trigger pull a bit. Nov 11, 2010 (Edited) Dingus said: To gain confidence, do this: Take your G19 and holster to the range. and yes i train and rehearse that No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. I dont have to hit a bypass cause its cocked, or turn off a safety, just pump and fire. More solid irrefutable proof that the Glock is an accident waiting to happen. I find the whole thing absurd and literally every firearm expert agrees with me. The pistol was designed to be carried with a round in the chamber with the safety on or off as your choice. Ammoland was intelligent enough to allow only one person to use a name at a time. I have trained chambering on the draw and while it is less effective I am still way ahead of the guy who doesnt carry. The G44 was thoroughly tested with a wide variety of ammunition to ensure maximum performance and . Which, of course, is why its better to keep your self-defense gun be it a concealed carry pistol or home defense gun or whatever with a round in the chamber. While I believe training is the answer, its not just fingers that are the problem. Go. Second, they also trained. Doesnt come into play until youve already fired 5 times. Not a hard and fast rule. Sub-one second times, under stress are the norm when properly trained. One never knows who one is talking to. I help equip people with knowledge and skills so they can be safe and effective with firearms. Because criminals dont follow laws, and as long as you stay off the radar, nobody is checking your gun. sounds like bullshat urban legend.. One observation concerning all the keyboard commandos here they seem to make the assumption that people primarily carry guns in preparation for a gunfight, and this is not always true. Even some shotguns will do that. Eventually, revolver designs changed. If a person was going to leave a gun in Condition 3, they had better practice loading and firing the pistol, because not doing so just might get them killed. Its just not for me, especially as I get into my golden years. Correct. 4 under extreme stress you may short stroke it. So the trigger pull is utterly irrelevant *if* you are paying attention to your firearm which you should be doing, again, with *any* firearm. or not. Use whatever gun you want. Modern revolvers (Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Ruger, Kimber) have transfer bar safeties and as such theres no need to mention it. In non service activities, all occurred either nearly cheek to cheek, face to face, or less than 3 ft. when chit went south, and it happens so fast, Id bet few if any pro operators could rack then stack em Id rather they stop production than change a design thats gone on unchanged for as long as it has. Confused fool. Carrying this way isn't for everybody though. You can conceal the Glock 43 comfortably and discretely in a Galco leather holster like the . The fact remains, we are always training. Many people think walking around with a loaded gun is dangerous, irresponsible, and paranoid. WOW! 3 your support hand may not be available. For those afraid of carrying cocked and locked or striker-fired guns, the XD-E is a better choice than chamber-empty carry. Probably applies to a few other westerns as well though. We have lots more on the site to show you. Unlikely. Well, technically, you could also just not drop them I suppose. Im so glad to have seen the one person who never makes a mistake! She now after many painful operations will be a partial cripple for the rest of her life. and self styled know it alls. You do what you gotta do or are allowed to do. The innovative design of the hybrid steel-polymer slide chambered in our first .22 caliber round provides a lightweight and low recoil functionality for optimal control. I ran a corner thru the trigger and around the other side up the grip. Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? I still counted 16, but when he starts fanning it gets a little hard to keep track. Guess what? If you forget to check the chamber just one time in you life its Sayounara . That is a good point that I have never heard before. Especially in a stressful situation. I usually carry chambered with a revolver or my .25 but the trigger on my new Glock 19 is so easy I am not yet comfortable carrying chambered because there is no manual safety. Cycling against objects using your sight is slow and not easily done. I left it in my series 80, but a gunsmith can easily remove it if desired.